The St. Louis Rams have been linked to Vincent Jackson in the past. In 2010, then GM Billy Devaney tried to swing a deal for the oft-disgruntled San Diego Chargers receiver, only to be rebuffed by A.J. Smith's ridiculous asking price. A new administration at Rams Park might also get a shot at Vincent Jackson, if he hits the free agent market as many expect.
Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network said again on Wednesday that VJ is likely to reach free agency. The issue for the Chargers is whether or not they use the franchise tag to keep him. Doing so would cost them in the neighborhood of $13 million, a steep price to pay for a team that also wants to re-sign Antonio Gates and perhaps make a run at free agent Mario Williams. It is sort of a last shot for Norv Turner and Smith, who defied expectations by keeping their jobs for 2012.
San Diego will probably try and get a long-term deal with Jackson, but there's been enough acrimony there to think it might be time for him to see other places.
The Rams will have to do some creative cap jockeying if they intend to land a top free agent like Jackson. Right now, the Rams are projected to have about $10 million in cap space for 2012. They have some $30 million in 2013, but also have some big names to re-sign that season, including TST MVP Chris Long and James Laurinaitis.
One potential cap target is Jason Smith. Giving Smith das boot would save $9 million in cap room, and the team is reportedly considering such a move if Smith does not agree to a significant restructure on his contract.
Jackson would be a welcome addition to the receiver starved Rams. A cheaper option might be Brandon Lloyd, but the Patriots and Josh McDaniels could make a run at him to replace free agent Deon Branch.
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What do other teams around the leauge think of Jason Smith?
Do yall think we could trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pick?
OkieWXman - February 9, 2012
Not with that contract, his injuries, and horrible "let's Sam get assaulted" style of play
King Sam Rules! - February 9, 2012 via mobile
A 3rd or 4th round pick is 1000% possible...
as long as you’re talking about the 2013 4th round or the 2014 3rd round. But, yea… start making some calls, and striking some deals!
Wouldn’t it behove the Rams organization if sites like TST would lie about the talent levels of a player, to up his free market value. And yes, I’m insinuating that any GM in the league don’t review tape, they just read TST for all their hard hitting facts on player development and progression.
Boofer - February 9, 2012
Oh wait, if TST lied about suff like that, you'd have to rename it to Hog Haven.
Bazinga.
Not Heaven, Holden. You effin’ moron.
Boofer - February 9, 2012
So Van, cutting Smith does save us 9 mill? I heard someone say it saves us 2.5
And let’s cut Jason Brown as well. That’s another 5 mill or so
King Sam Rules! - February 9, 2012 via mobile
agree 100%
Ohur was my 2008 OT pick. He is doing a great job in Balt. at RT. Devaney you puke. Jason Brown has lost the will to fight. He recently lost his brother in Afghanistan…His hero. No fight left in that dog. too expensive to keep around.
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
You mean Oher!
Many will agree that of all the OT’s in that class, that Jason Smith was not the top one. It sucks to say that we may have been right.
CaliRamMan - February 9, 2012
yes Oher.
I agree with you. I didn’t even think jason smith was in the running for a number 2 overall pick. I had to go run to a library, look him up, study a bit….then cried my eyes out.
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
Yeah but at the time of the draft,
nearly everyone said Smith was easily the top one due to his athleticism/potential. Sucks to be this wrong.
douchiedude - February 10, 2012
What???
I remember it differently. Andre Smith (yes, the fat boy that ran the 40 with no shirt) and E. Monroe were both being touted as the safer picks at #2. Oher seemed to resemble the closest skill set to Orlando Pace. Smith was a converted TE, played a year at RT and a year and a half at LT. Way too many question marks on what the future held for him. Go back and look at Mcshay’s and Kipers rankings. As the draft got closer people were getting sucked into the J. Smith decision. It made no sense, the game film was the same on the players. The combine already happened and he kept climbing. It never made sense to me.
CaliRamMan - February 10, 2012
Monroe absolutely, and I think he was a top 10 pick right?
Smith had some SERIOUS red flags going into the draft (hence a Bengals pick heh), and Smith showed some tremendous athleticism that boosted his stock way up late. No one said he was a safe pick for the reasons you named, but his athleticism and potential boosted him up. Which you said so yourself, people got sucked into J. Smith as the draft got closer. The combine does that unfortunately :(
douchiedude - February 10, 2012
It only saves 2.5 million.
Would be more next offseason.
ViperLjs - February 9, 2012
so what are you saying lets buy V.J. and be with out an OL if you cut them you have to replace them dont you
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
I doubt we will get Jackson
I would love to acquire a talent like Jackson. We desperately need him. But, I do not recall Fisher making big FA WR moves in the past. I see him going after a 2nd tier FA WR (Lloyd) and focusing the primary FA cap room on the OL and Def. But, then again, I don’t think Fisher had to deal with such a pathetic collection of WR’s with the Titans.
A's fan in Philly - February 9, 2012
In 2010 Fisher brought Randy Moss to the Titans!
J Fisher will bring in help, what kind we don’t know.
VETT - February 9, 2012
Haha well at least jswirb would be happy.
RamFan284 - February 9, 2012
I Think San Diego
Will give Jackson a long term contract. Acrimony aside; money talks. Lloyd will probably go to New England especially with Branch leaving. The Rams might consider Robert Meachem from The Saints
ValdezY - February 9, 2012
Vincent Jackson
San Diego has Malcolm Floyd and they like Vincent Brown so maybe they’d be willing to let Jackson go. Philip Rivers wouldn’t be happy with him leaving though.
Mister T - February 9, 2012
Rivers Wasn't Too Happy
With Sproles departure either.
ValdezY - February 9, 2012
stevie
jonhson FTFW!
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
Johnson...
Hey would be a nice pickup but he has to come cheap because he loses focus quite a bit. The Bills would be crazy to let him leave but you never know in this league. Robert Meachem would be a solid #2 next to Justin Blackmon. I also like Pierre Garcon as a #2 WR
Jballa2005 - February 9, 2012
I think Meachem could be a strong #2 WR
Douglas M - February 9, 2012
Smith
Can’t wait to see the results of his evaluation by the new regime. I hope they see something in him. If not what a waste and setback.
warriorsrise - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Get rid of everyone but Dahl and Saffold
that would save some money.
OakCityRam - February 9, 2012
this
combined they are due about $19mil next year.
jmo53 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
first time i agree with you lol
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
Younger
I would much rather see us bring in a young receiver from the draft, possibly Kendall Wright. Let him grow with Sam. I’m worried that bringing in Jackson might result in locker room issues.
Jholtmeier - February 9, 2012
+ 1
VETT - February 9, 2012
I say draft justin blackmon to grow with sam hes off the charts
If we don’t draft him he’s gana make us suck it
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
I don't wanna suck it :(
douchiedude - February 10, 2012
Who's worth keeping?
We can talk about adding all the receivers we want, but the reality is that we won’t be able to add 6 brand-new, top-of-the-line wide outs, no matter how badly we need them. With that being said, who do y’all think is worth keeping around for another year?
willEYEam - February 9, 2012
Lloyd,amendola,sales,this ones bold but Dx
Only because his knee was not an issue last season and did you see some of them grabs he made up for half the rams highlights this season
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
True that
Outside of Brandon, the only receiver who made any big plays/highlights was DX….bad knees/hammy and all
willEYEam - February 9, 2012
And to top it the rams take justin blackmon with the 4th pick in the 2012 nfl draft
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
not that bold
no knee issues, third year WR coming up. third year is the breakout year for most WR’s. this is is make it or break (plz god no knee issues) year
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
make it or break it
pun intended? =P
Horcrux7 - February 9, 2012
Yes
Lmao…and then crying about it lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Correction...
He did have knee issues, amongst other injuries that he dealt with last season.
CaliRamMan - February 9, 2012
I thought it was him hammy mostly.
Pekka for Predator Pontiff - February 9, 2012
The hammy was the big one.
I think it kept him off the active roster for 3-4 straight game days.
CaliRamMan - February 10, 2012
Or
I’d be cool with Kalil at pick #2 and Jeffery in rd2
willEYEam - February 9, 2012
id be alright with it
But I just know when we don’t take him well regret it so bad. He’s a once in a generation player baleave me I was at the bowl game he was open the whole game and most the time he didn’t get the ball
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
once in a generation?
really? I can see Megatron or Fitz as once in a generation. but Blackmon? Nahh, he isn’t even on AJ Green’s level. ill pass on him at #2.
ECURam87 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
Agreed
Midasknight - February 9, 2012
If you can watch him in the video put together by ESPN ....
…and games that he has played, I am on the Blackmon band wagon, period!
VETT - February 9, 2012
I'm not saying
he’s not the best receiver in the draft. but once in a generation? and the #2 pick in the draft? I just don’t see that unless he runs a 4.3 40 or something crazy like that at the combine
ECURam87 - February 10, 2012 via Android app
+1
Pekka for Predator Pontiff - February 9, 2012
Pass on VJax
Draft Blackmon, a lot of good OLinemen in this draft and we could find a solid one in Rd 2 and spend the free agent bucks on Finnegan which also brings some tenacity to this team, possibly try to get jason jones too. Draft trade with Cleveland would be a dream scenario too if we could snag Blackmon at #4 n pick up a few extra picks. I don’t think VJax is even as good as Lloyd is with this roster, VJax had a lot of other weapons around him in SD.
Bronx_Bomber26 - February 9, 2012
Couldnt agree more
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Agreed..
RG31 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
me too i prefer Blackmon and i would take him even with the #2 pick
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
+ 1
VETT - February 9, 2012
think about it llyod1 blackmon2 amendola.slot sales.slot
Plus dx in and out sounds like a winner to me
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
... are you talking about SALAS ?
VETT - February 9, 2012
its Salas if Amendola is still broken
Its gonna be tough resigning Lloyd. Could be at Bradys home as I type. I just think Vincent is ready to shine for somebody other than San Diego. He is so tired of that ride. Give him a Blackmon to take under his wings and soar to the goal line. Can you imagine a team with no WR…..wait , thats us. Lloyd leaves, no FA pick up. Clayton, Amendola not under contract. Broken DX, Petis can’t run a route, Kendricks drops the soap. Gibson, Salas, DX as starters, REALLY???
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
I say....
We grab Blackmon in the first, resign Lloyd, sign VJax and dominate every single secondary we come up against!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
HaHa
Either way its pick ur poison
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
SMH
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
And then....
Have Bradford learn how to throw on the run 24/7 since he wont have any blockers
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i think we had talent at oline just bad coachs
And the second round looks good for oline
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
fisher is threatining to cut Smith
not because he thinks he has talent. but because he sucks
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
really when u think about it hard enough (not),
You didn’t adequately respond to the inquiry. He says the O-line is under coached and that they can play better. Also, it is brought up that we can find a damn good offensive lineman in the second round. So u say Jason smith sucks. Okay, well then that begs the question(s)…If we have an under coached line, with one sucky lineman (Jason Smith), and he is replaced by said 33rd pick of the draft..do we really need that 2nd overall pick to go to a lineman? and is it feasible to say that he will have adequate blockers to give him time in the pocket to throw to VJax and Lloyd? Because what is laid out here is that we have one hole on the line and that can be filled in the 2nd round and the line can be coached to play to their full potential like they have in the past (2 former pro bowlers, Dahl who is a stud, and a fantastic rookie season for another)..so is this true? or should we just get a whole new line in your opinion?
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
my point was that by fisher wanting to cut smith than the oline needs to be addressd first
also, one sucky lineman is incorrect. Jason Smith was not the only lineman getting pushed around out there. Saffold was horrible, our center was benched, our RG was playing RT, and our LG was also benched. The rams gave up 55 sacks and sam bradford has been pressured on 33 percent of his passes since being in the league (yes even when our oline was considered decent). so yes, our oline is a clusterfuck that needs to be shuffled around. we are going to be a run first team next year and yet so many fans are obsessed with us adding a bunch of WR’s.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
OUr receivers played decent in 2010 and we put up over 17 points a game
Worst receiving core in the game last year, 11 points a game. Roger Saffold, Josh Brown, Jason Brown, Jason Smith all return and we upgrade at RG with Dahl…n we have 6 less points a game. It doesnt make sense. Have you ever thought about the other factors for why our line was getting trashed? Bad coaching? Sam calling his own protections in an offense he barely learned. Sam having no mobility with his ankle sprain? I wouldnt say the steelers line is bad but they looked like shit when Big Ben couldnt move around like a normal QB. Maybe because McDaniels has a playbook where linemen have to hold their blocks for a stupid amount of time for a receiver who was never going to get open cuz they FUCKIN SUCKED loll
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
lol yea it was tough on the oline to have to block for 4 plus seconds
but if an oline has to block for that long, than it hurts the receivers just as bad if they only have 1.5 seconds to run a route. even lloyd had problems getting the ball consistently under that. WR and OT both effect e/o, but this is goning to be a run first team so i think its dumb to draft a WR with the second overall pick. but if this was AJ green (a crazy elite WR) i would take em, not blackmon.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
2010 compared to 2011
Amendola was healthy the entire 2010 season. We had Daniel Fells who was much better than Kendricks. Bradford started to decline over the second half of his first season although he didn’t throw too many picks. Maybe defenses adjusted to him. Jason Smith was decent in 2010, I’d make him restructure but not cut him and move him into Jacob Bell’s slot.
Mister T - February 9, 2012
did Jeff tell you that while you were having coffee this morning lmfao please
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
Good point
No one mentions that Bradford was a 100% shotgun QB in college. I know we got St. Jax. but the NFL is now the passing league. Brady in shotgun 95% of the time and green-ellis gets his carries. Why can’t we do that. I’m suggesting Bradford 95% shotgun with the biggest, bad ass bouncer next to him. St. Jax.
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
We need a new LT, LG, and C to do this.
and a #1WR
jmo53 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
Yessssssssssss
dbcouver - February 10, 2012
....
Yeah the Oline class looks pretty solid this year. I just want the rams to finally draft some playmakers on offense… Are there any solid free agents for the oline this year?
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
solid?
is that why there are no OT with a second round grade? outside of kalil, martin, reiff, and adams (all prjected top FIFTEEN) there are no more tackles
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
YES SOLID
There still are some guys we can get later in the rounds like Sanders and Datko from Florida St. I would just prefer us drafting Blackmon and giving Bradford a weapon to at least grow with and build a chemistry with.
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
well u need a better word than SOLID
because the drop off at OT is immense after the top 15 picks in round 1. also, WR is way deeper than OT so why not do it the other way around.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
oh im sorry
i got more words other than solid for you. concrete, coagulated, consolidated, and rock. I just dont think kalil is the next joe thomas or jake long. We averaged 11 points a game last year. fucking pathetic. We need a threat outside of steven jackson for once in 13801295439 years
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
you 4got blacktop stone and i agree 100%
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
first, instead of being a smart ass how about stating ur opinion like an adult k?
second, even if kalil isnt the next jake long, he is considered better than justin blackmon on almost all draft boards. he helps us fix LT, RT, and if smith moves to Guard, he fixes three positions by himself. lloyd already proved that one elite wide reciever does not fix our group.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
Dude, regardless of how they played this year
we have more talented and experienced lineman than WRs. The receiver position has been ignored for far too long. The potential and ceiling for our line is far greater than our WR core. We dont need the best fuckin Lineman that the draft has to offer. We need the best receiver the draft has to offer.
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
My exact thoughts..
RG31 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
and we dont need the best fucking reciever either
bottom line is that reciever is deeper than oline in both draft AND free agency. the argument is not what we need MORE, it is what can come at a better price and what offers the most AVAILABILTY
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
well we have tried multiple times to grab the best fuckin Lineman
But we havent grabbed the best fuckin receiver since 1999 when we drafted Holt at number 6. And look at the WRs in the 1st round since 2004
LARRY FITZGERALD
MARK CLAYTON
LEE EVANS
AJ GREEN
JULIO JONES
DEZ BRYANT
BRAYLON EDWARDS
DEMARYIUS THOMAS
MIKE WILLIAMS
CALVIN JOHNSON
ANTHONY GONZALEZ
DWAYNE BOWE
REGGIE WILLIAMS
JONATHAN BALDWIN
TED GINN
PERCY HARVIN
ROY WILLIAMS
ROBERT MEACHEM
HAKEEM KNICKS
MICHAEL CRABTREE
DERRIUS HEYWARD-BEY
JEREMY MACLIN
SANTONIO HOLMES
GRAIG DAVIS
MIKE CLAYTON
KENNY BRITT
Thats quite a fuckin list even for the gamble of drafting DHB (which blackmon is not)…It’s not everyday a receiver is even considered a top 5 overall prospect. even Julio wasn’t considered a top 5. AJ Green was the 4th best prospect in his class…iunno man. pull the trigger i say
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
pull the trigger sure...at 2? fuck no lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
pull the trigger at number 4 with a browns trade!!!!
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
Why not?
I mean seriously why the hell not? with the rookie salary structure the way it is then why the hell not. If we won three games instead of two, you would want Blackmon but since we sucked too much we have to draft a LT? dont pigeon hole yourself because we pick earlier than we want. Listen, we have zero money tied up in WRs. Would it truly hurt to slightly overpay a likely franchise WR?
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
because he isnt worth a 2 IMO
i do not see him as an elite number one. which is why i would rather have kalil who i think is an elite LT. i really dont understand what part of my argument is not clear. lol seriously. i dont think blackmon is that goooood.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
if we
can sign a good FA WR this year then fuck blackmon. Lloyd and Vjax, bowe, or colston and just pick up someone else in the 2nd round would be nice.
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
dnt forget we need DT, OLB, and CB's too now lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
shit..
tell me about it… 10 CBs on IR? that is so stupid
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
Got it.
It’s not that you aren’t clear, it’s just that you haven’t supported it with any facts. What part of his game makes him not elite? have you watched side by side tape of him and AJ Green? Do you know his vert? his 40 speed? Did you watch any Matt Khalil tape? Iv’e watched both. I think blackmon is actually being UNDERVALUED by some here. If he is lined up on the other side of Lloyd or anyone, with amendola underneath..the offense could be really good fast.
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
i love blackmon. i think he has the talent to be an amazing wr. Lloyd, Amendola, blackmond, and our monster steven jackson… so trade to the browns… and hope for decastro or mike adams waiting there for us in the 17th lol
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
yes i watch kalil and blackmon tape
i know that his fourty is projected at 4.55, i know is vert is 33 inches, i know his arm legnth is 34 inches, i know he plays in a spread offense, i know he only burned one corner worth talking about in his career, i know that he considered coming out of college last year but returned because he wasnt ranked higher than julio or aj green (thats the rumor). i know i was a FAN of blackmon at 14 last year. i know that i see Michael Crabtree when i look at him except that he has the will to be better than crabtree. andi know that if i pick a guy at second, he better be the next CJ, Andre, or Ftiz but when i see him all i see is hakkem nicks and anquan boldin. which like u said we need BADLY, but not if we have to pass on guys like kalil
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
You're putting in way too much stock into the draft position dude.
If you go back to ‘09 who do you draft #2 overall? Jason Smith because he was the best OT available? or Maclin, or Harvin, or Hakeem Nicks? It’s not like at the time those guys were considered better draft prospects than Jason Smith or even in his range. Even if everyone here tries to look back and say ‘ohhh i just wasnt sold Smith ever and uhhhh..’ no. screw that. I was here. I saw what everyone was saying, and the consensus had Jason Smith as a game changing OT for us that was gunna protect our QB for the next 10 years. There’s no guarantees, and if the Rams decide that we need Blackmon, then i think its the best thing we can do. If they think Kalil is the better guy, so be it. Im just sick of hearing u talk about how its the 2 pick so we can’t do it like that means a thing. I’ve obviously seen things from Blackmon that I think are impressive enough to draft him for, you have obviously watched Kalil block guys very well and thats all great, but as far as I’m concerned we have to fix our team the best we can with 6 players in the 2012 NFL draft. I don’t care where those players are on Mel Kiper’s big board, we have 6 players to add to our team from this draft. If WR is our absolute biggest need, then #1 pick needs to be a WR unless blackmon is not our guy. And since Fisher wants to trade down, I’m guessing that ‘Fat Guys I need protecting the pocket’ isn’t as high on his priority list as it is on yours.
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
If your sick of hearing it then skip over my comments
Once again. I dnt want blackmon at two because there are other players on the board who are better than him its not just the fuckin number he is slotted at. When I say 2 is too high I mean when you look at tyre fact that we would skip kalil reiff claiborne etc for him. You dnt like what my opinions are? Then quit fuckin crying about it and skip over em
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012 via mobile
So if Blackmon wasn't in this draft you would just take the next best receiver at #2? Draft spot does mean something.
jmo53 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
i am a die hard ram fan dude. when the draft comes every year i STUDY
like a god damned final is coming lmao
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
i am impressed
you might have just convinced me to go to kalil with your studying… lol were you a robert quinn supporter last year?
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i remember telling my brother about quinn a month before the draft (he didnt care casue rams suck lol)
i told him that we should trade up for either jones or quinn. when Detroit Fariley o fell off my couch cause i knew exactly who we were gonna pick lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
lol yeah i was hoping for julio or quinn too… very happy we got quinn. him and long are going to kill for years to come
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i actually loved aldon smith too but ppl
convinced me that he was too raw to be an immediate sack DE… pshhhtttt
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
you think jerrfey or floyd have a chance to drop to the 2nd?
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
jeffery is looking like a sure drop to th second
with michael floyd kendel wright and sanu all getting love lately. i would love him at 33. if his Qb;s didnt suck so bad we would be arguing kalil,blackmon, and him
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
yeah man his qb was crap… i wouldnt mind him at all… lloyd can teach him enough to get a lot better
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
isnt much to teach alshon IMO
dude ad 1500 yards in the SEC one year. thats crazy
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
+ 1000000000
VETT - February 9, 2012
+ 1000000000
Lexxi U R right on !
VETT - February 9, 2012
The best receiver in this draft in not worth the #2 pick.
Next year maybe?
jmo53 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
Sam can have alday. but if he has no....?? to ? to what good is it
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
and he can have all pro bowl recievers
but it wont matter because he will be on the sideline nursing his injuries like this year.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
completely disagree
he needed all the time in the world because…….you guessed it! he didnt have any receivers that got open. And look at Feely and Clemmens..they had time, they completed passes, and they scored points. Lets look at that for a second..Whats the real issue? Sam wasn’t ready for McDaniels’ offense. He just wasnt good enough. Our biggest problem last year wasn’t O-line. It might have been QB. And dont blame his injury on the o-line. sacks are a part of the game. When he got injured, they had been playing some great D lines like the Giants, Ravens, Dallas, etc. and he was going to get hit.
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
SMH
im tired of this saaaame arguement. like i said to u before we need a LT and a true #1, but you can get number !‘s quicker than u can get LT’s both in the draft and free agency. so once more, WE NEED BOTH, but AVAILABILITY makes Kalil the better pick IMO
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
we havent had a number one in a long time
and in 2010 we had our franchise left tackle and now after this season it’s FUCK SAFFOLD! YOU SUCK! MOVE TO THE RIGHT SIDE! You are seriously undervaluing Saffold’s talent and ability after a down year for the entire team. Chill out and if our billion dollar line sucks again, then fuck it.
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
saffold had a good rookies season and a terrible second season so i might be undervaluing him but you might be overvaluing him as well.
but watever im done with the same arugment til april when one is a ram.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
saffold still deserves a chance. but smith needs to be cut or his salary needs to be cut dramatically
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
yes we need that money that smith is eating
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
Smith needs to go,
he’s a liablity even at guard with his concussions
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
i wouldnt mind keeping himm
atleast for depth just in case the worst happens like at corner this year
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
even at 2.5 mil that we owe him, we can get a quality lineman this year
at the inside position, which isnt Smiths position. Dahl didnt rake in that much money and he was the best option at guard last year in FA
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
i wonder how that CFL OT we just picked up would be any decent?
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
first, maybe you should learn how to take a joke
second, quit your bitchin. im glad you can read draft boards man. you know your ones and twos thats great. and if you think smith at the guard position your crazy. yeah sam got attacked up the ass this year, but who the hell did he have to throw to to begin with?
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i like jokes that are funny.
jk but seriously if u have two huge needs at two different positions. how is it not common sense to take the better player?
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
you know what...
i dont want to even argue anymore with this lol the last couple of years have been so garbage for the rams and im just tired of it. kalil blackmon whatever i just wanna see results finally. Yeah i do prefer blackmon over kalil. but i just hope fisher does it right…
to end this i say we draft claiborne and call it even haha jkkkkkjkjkjjkjkjk
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
dnt get me wrong i dont mind blackmon
just not at 2 if we stick at 2 i want kalil. and there are some claiborne supporters here actually lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
i wouldnt doubt it
i bet there are even some luck fans here huh. sorry about bumping heads earlier. i just signed up for this thing too! =)
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i come here to bump heads...
lol jk but the debating is fun and welcome to TST
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
we are the St. Louis RAMS right? lol
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
plz dnt say things like that here
most of us have forgotten lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
yup that means when we bump heads
we go on IR with concussions
dbcouver - February 9, 2012
LMFAO
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
or
tear our acls… and fracture your neck.. if your a CB
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
if i was a corner...
no way i sign with the rams unless i get vaccinated weekly to avoid what ever they have that makes thier muscles turn into mush lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
haha
knowing the rams luck, we would get finnegan at a good price and he would tear his acl and mcl in the first game after he makes 2 INT
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
LMAO
I like any, and I said any OT from the SEC in the second or third rounds
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
kali cant block all 4 men its not a quick fix drafting him
Blackmon on the other hand is adding blackmon to the wr corp makes the rams set for the season at wr and done. And then we can focus on the whole online
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
He doesn't need to...
Obviously you have never played football before. Getting Kalil would fix a ton! Get a true LT (Saffold is a RT even though he’s playing LT) would allow Saffold and Dahl go back to their actual positions. You will probably have to keep 1 of the 3 (smith, bell, or brown) to play G/C and you pick up a couple other lineman via draft or FA. Kalil is the no brainer at 2. Blackmon would be pointless due to the fact that we will be a run heavy offense. And without SERIOUS OL help Sam will be injured again and we will be talking about which QB to draft in 2013 for Blackmon. Kalil is the pick at 2 100%
Rcoon1307 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Agreed. But you won't change some people's minds about Blackmon.
I wouldn’t mind Blackmon, just not at 2. I’d rather pick BPA (Kalil) or trade down.
Midasknight - February 9, 2012
honeslty...
my ideal thing to do is trade down man… browns two first rounds would be ideal for me
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i played highschool thank you w.r. got the record for rec.y in a season
But beside all that were all rams fans here idc who we draft aslong as its one of the two. Now I prefer blackmon but guess well c
Ramzman18 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
perfectly put. leave it at that
at the end of the day one of these guys might be a ram so lets hope it pans out.
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
Well said well said...
I played G/DL and we never get any love hahaha. So I gotta go with Kalil. But hey I’m a little biased I guess lol
Rcoon1307 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
lol
i played RB and DB at a shit school and had to carry the load like mr. jackson =/ and i do feel his pain
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
i think kalil is the better player
but i do like blackmon (still dnt think fisher will reach for him at 2) but if fisher thinks the oline is good enough than yes blackmon all day
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
What about Colston?
Surely NO can’t afford all of their top tier players.
addnon - February 9, 2012
Colston would be nice
And so would any of those FA lineman they have…
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
Biggest loss for the Rams, so far....
howie43 - February 9, 2012
I'm a huge fan of NC as a player. As a coach of our WRs, I think he failed last year. Just my opinion...
Douglas M - February 9, 2012
thank you i agree Cromwell sucked as our WR coach
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
Not his fault...
He had nothing to work with. Like they say, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig. I would just like him to still be affiliated with the Rams in whatever capacity.
howie43 - February 9, 2012
No Vincent,Blackmon,Clayton.
Fisher still had pull with the Titans,we get Avery back for a 2nd round pick,issue solved
RAMIFICATION - February 9, 2012
lol
Douglas M - February 9, 2012
Your kidding........ right?
RG31 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
im sure he is RG be calm lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
Lol just making sure..
RG31 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
lmao u crack mr up dude
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
me lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
Lol well I try my hardest
RG31 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
and what a beautiful success u r
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012
hahaha
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
you got it all wrong man...
the way i look at it… we draft RG3 and trade bradford and Sjax for future picks… then we convert Justin King to a WR and resign Torry Holt
Paparro8 - February 9, 2012
every one that wants Blackmon say I lol
Rammon105 - February 9, 2012
I!!!!!!!!!
RG31 - February 9, 2012 via mobile
I
I
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
at any pick in the draft
Lexxi - February 9, 2012
I
at #4 or #6
jmo53 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
im seriously tired of everyone underating blackmon and overating kalil
honestly if u look at his highlights this year and last year they were far better and more frequent then julio jones’s and in my opinion as good if not better then green’s. sure he had a couple fuckup fumbles on the goaline but all he does is make plays. like seriousely why is he not as good as those 2? cause he runs a high 4.4 or low 4.5. AJ GREEN RAN A 4.48. and as far as kalil being overated he played no elite lineman. just go look at rg3s article i really dont feel like restating his points.
theirishsmurf - February 9, 2012
The thing about Blackmon is...
that while his speed is close to Green’s, Green is taller, stronger, and has a higher verticle jump. And julio is much faster, slightly taller and bigger. Both played much better competition in the SEC than Blackmon did. And I like Blackmon, I really do. I think he’ll be an average number 1 or a really good number 2 in the NFL. But taking him at 2 in the draft is a huge reach, especially when there are good #1 receivers in FA this year. But, there aren’t very many good OT in FA. And the thing about Kalil not playing good rushers is true to a certain extent. BUT, he was good enough to force the coaches to move Tyron Smith to RT, who happens to be playing pretty decent for the Cowboys now. Which shows that he is better than a guy already doing decent in the NFL. I don’t mind taking Blackmon if we trade down a few spots, I just think at #2 the pick can be better spent.
RamFan284 - February 9, 2012
Dnt waste your breathe
I agree but your wasting your time lol
Ram_Redemption - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Its not the size
Its not the size of the football player in the game, but the size of the game inside the player. Quoted by the agent of Wes Welker
fearsomefoursum - February 9, 2012
why does everyone focussed on the number hes picked?
like who cares hes the player that will impact the rams the most!! and there is no way green is stronger then blackmon. green is a bit fragile and dont think he has the yac blackmon does. and tyron smith being a right tackle does not make kalil a better player. sure it definately says something. but who knows maybe tyron smith was a better run blocker/less athletic then kalil. all im saying is that kalil doesnt impress me as much as blackmon and i truly understand that a stud LT is the most important position in football outside the qb. i just think blackmon looks better then julio jones did when he came was at alabama . he just reminds me of brandon marshall without the headaches and like 3 inches shorter which i think he makes up for with his superb athleticism. BLACKMON IS THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE THAT SUITS OUR MOST DESPERATE NEED.
theirishsmurf - February 9, 2012
This is Jason Smith pointing out who's about to sack Sam....
…there’s quite a few people who think we have a bigger need, and I’m not even saying I am one!
DCRamFan - February 9, 2012
Ok for one calm down a bit bro, I don't feel like getting in an Internet shouting match.
For one, the thing about Green being stronger I messed up, he was slightly stronger than julio (according to Combine bench press anyway). Do you happen to know how many reps Blackmon does on bench press by the way? And as far as yac, from what I’ve read Blackmon had 305 in his 1520 or so yards. This year green had 278 in 1031 yards. So i would say green is pretty decent in the yac department. Also, what are your thoughts on the current free agent WR? And then what are your thoughts on the free agent OT?
RamFan284 - February 9, 2012
relax bro its just a heated debate. this is all friendly
im talking about strength on the field. benchpress doesnt always translate to that. blackmon just reminds me of t.o or brandon marshall when he breaks tackles he uses his stregth and athleticism to dominate defenders. he just does work everytime hes on the field. he was there best player by far and everyone knew they had to stop him from getting the ball unlike julio jones at alabama. and honestly bro ive wanted VJ for like 3 years now because at the time i said he was the most underated beast receiver in the nfl. but the more i think about it the more i realize that sam needs someone to grow with throughout his career. not to mention the fact that usually when u sign a big time receiver it doesnt usually pan out with the acception of maybey randy moss. im all for getting jackson but i think getting blackmon is safer and would be a better option for the long run. as for oline im tired of hearing everyone give up on saffold like he was the only one who struggled in this new offense when everyone easily let bradford off the hook. harvey dahls just awsome. jason brown is usually consistent with the exception of this year but he went through a lot personally but thats no excuse. this is a crucial year for him. jacob bell is on and off and could likely be replaced in fa. and smith sigh….. u can see that the injuries hes had looked pretty severe on tape so i personally dont think hes just injury prone. and he has been a decent tackle whos showed flashes of briliance in his run blocking which is crucial for sjax. however i think unless we restructure his contract we need to give him da boot and pick up the best 2nd round tackle with our #2 pick like saffold. SORRY THIS IS REALLY LONG :/
theirishsmurf - February 9, 2012
Cut Smith and get that cap space, son!
Get Jackson and make some moooves, we need it. Long will be cheaper than he is now and JL will be more expensive, I think it’ll balance out to be roughly the same as it is now combined heh.
douchiedude - February 10, 2012
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