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DevsLaRams - January 21, 2012 reply

Im ok with this

The reason is because we have (and are in a good position be able to add more) a lot of the components to make this a much better offense than what we’ve had in the recent past. We have the QB, RB, BLloyd, Danny, and a few other pieces in place already and we all know what else we need. He specialized in a ground and pound approach, and unless i’ve missed something so have we. The tried to tailor their offense towards Sanchez and unless I’ve missed something, Sam is waay better than him. The Jets offense averaged around 25 points a game during his tenure their and our offense…….need i say more? I say give him a chance to before we get bent outta shape.

willEYEam - January 21, 2012 reply

FIRE FISHER

Most fuckin retarded hire I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing.

What has this guy done that’d make him a better candidate than Hue?

He’s worked on loaded teams and still under performed.

If he can’t work an offense to suit the strengths of people like Santonio Holmes what makes anyone in their right mind think this dude would know how to make an offense work with considerably lesser talent?

Makes me question Fisher’s ability even more. He could have redeemed himself in my eyes by taking longer and hiring Hue or pretty much anyone else.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

that is an

OVERREACTION

ECURam87 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Well, sorta

I would never have hired Fisher in the first place, and this hire, in my eyes, gives the distinct impression he didn’t learn a single thing in his year off.

So yeah, the headline is hyperbolic (got your attention tho :P haha) but the points made and the general notion of impending doom are unfortunately founded in knowledge. I hope I’m wrong, but I hoped I was wrong about McD and we all know how right I was about that haha

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Your posts make me think you might be bi polar! Haha

I know no ones excited about BS….but we have to put faith in Fisher…not saying it will work out but there is a big difference between Spags/McDaniels and Fisher/Schoettenheimer. Spags literally ignored offense. Fisher won’t do that. And he will make BS run the ball and not get into these cutesy trick plays

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Funny how we said Spags was too controlling

And now he conveniently gave McD too much leeway?

This ultimately shouldn’t be a discussion. The HC should hire an OC good enough he needn’t be overbearing with regards to playcalls… That he could trust his OC and the offense would still be consistently good.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm not sure you understand the term "head coach".

It means overseer of the team. As in offense, defense, and special teams

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

overseer - yes

But that does not mean they should have to directly conduct offensive or defensive playcalls because the OC doesn’t have a clue.

Does anyone remember hiring McD? First people said that Spags would have to let McD run his offense his way, be aggressive over conservative like we were with shurmer, then as the playcalls got retarded we begged for control from Spags to make it better.

Now what are people’s preference?
Because you can’t have it both ways.

My preference is getting an OC who the HC can trust to make good playcalls every game, although I’d much rather an offensive HC who called plays himself.

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

I agree...way overreacted.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but give me a break this was off the wall.

Go Rams!

ignore the headline

Which is totally unfeasible and tell me what else was an overreaction?

I’m with you tho, GO RAMS!!

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Brian

had to work with Sanchez. Sanchez is a lesser than bright QB who survived in the NFL because of the personnel around him and superb Head Coaching. Sanchez blows IMO. Brian will excel with Bradford who is a more cerebral QB.

papapegasus - January 21, 2012 via Android app reply

if Sanchez is so bad

Why didn’t they just keep on handing the ball off instead of putting the game in his hands?

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Cause that's what you do with your #1 draft pick.

See Sam Bradfords rookie year. The Jets have been in the hot seat ever since they drafted Sanchez as an unproven commodity out of USC. Yeah he was better than Sam statistically last year. He has weapons and an offensive line that Sam would die for.

papapegasus - January 21, 2012 reply

But lesser RBs and he doesnt have that great of recievers

yes they are better than the Rams but Holmes is ME first and quit in week 3 (just look at tomlinson’s interview)

richter122 - January 21, 2012 reply

if you're on the hot seat, you do what helps you win

If your QB is your weak link and your run game is strong, you run the ball. You don’t abandon the run when you’re gashing the opponents and let your QB get killed and hold the offense back.

You’d hope that an OC would know his players’ strengths and do his best to win regardless of external pressures.

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

wow

you’re right!

papapegasus - January 22, 2012 via Android app reply

haha! i know right?

So you seeing why BS is such a dreadful hire now?

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

That's funny Infemous!

It’s your opinion, thanks for sharing. Next time don’t pull any punches.

RamsFan1979 - January 22, 2012 reply

haha! i won't! promise!

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

Fisher knows what he is doing!

Most likely, none of us have the credentials or the experience to make the right decision as a HC on picking an OC. Does Fisher? YUP. Does he know how to win and be successful? YUP. There is a reason Fisher hired Schottenheimer instead of Jackson for reasons beyond our understanding…. Fisher knows how to make the right decisions and get the right coaches… He also had great options. So if he chose one over the other, then I’m glad.

m0pi1 - January 21, 2012 reply

Blind faith is what got us into this mess

You need to understand that Fisher is not the best coach in the league, nor one of the top 5, and it is not in our interests as fans to blindly support and trust entirely a guy who has been entirely average his entire career.

If this was Belicheck we’d have grounds to trust him, but Jeff Fisher is a coach who has let the league pass him by and he is demonstrating very poor insight into what is beneficial for the team.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

and other then inexperianced OC which got the Rams in this mess to start with who other

then Fisher was available and I’m talking realistically……….

Freewheeler2 - January 21, 2012 reply

we had our pick of up and comers to hire

And I’m pretty sure had we hired someone like Chud, no one would be investing this sort of blind faith in him the way we are Fisher.

What is unfortunate is that people place too much emphasis on ‘experience’ as being a good thing.

McDaniels is an experienced coach in this league and it doesn’t make him any good.

Realistically we had the chance to hire almost anyone available, but our ownership had decided from the firing of Spags onward that Fisher was the guy.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

all im trying to say is

Is that we should be informed and hold Fisher accountable.

We have been abused by horrible teams for too long and its our duty to not allow it to happen any longer.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

How has he let the league pass him by? That's just a uneducated statement

He was out for ONE year. And it’s not like he never threw the ball. His titans were in the top ten is all passing categories from 99-2005. Stop being ridiculous

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

he let the league pass him by before he took a year off...

As in, he was archaic as fuck back in 2005.

Its evidenced by his 2 winning seasons in his past 8 years.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

That might have alot to do with....

Bud Adams being a cheap ass and they had to let all there veterans (some pro bowlers) twice because bud refused to pay them. Oh, and on top of that, Vince Young was forced down Fishers throat and he is a complete waste of life so quit putting all this on Fisher. I bet when we are winning you will shut the fuck up hater

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

wow, no need for such hostility.

Infemous, like everyone on this site, is entitled to their opinion. Learn to be more constructive in a more positive manner next time.

RamsFan1979 - January 22, 2012 reply

a good coach works with what they've got

And in fact Fisher kept a lot of veterans to the detriment of the team.

Saying the VY mess excuses how Fisher was absolutely awful in the past 8 years is saying that Spags’ extenuating circumstances (injuries, lockout etc.) Mean his poor W/L record is excused.

No double standards and hold coaches accountable.

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

very very true...

victorian - January 21, 2012 reply

I was all about Hiring Hue but...

I am ok with this. I still would have preferred Hue but the one problem I saw in Hue was that he would bolt for the first HC job offered to him, then Bradford would be in his fourth offense in 4 years. Atleast Shotty should be around for a few years and give Bradford some stability.

I'd like to ask a genuine question

What has Brian Schottenheimer ever done that’d suggest he’d be good for us?

If anyone can actually answer this, beyond blind faith or hoping for the best, I’d really appreciate it, because I’ve tried and well.. My opinion hasn’t changed a bit.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

ask Fisher

Lexxi - January 21, 2012 reply

If i could i would

However, until a journo can ask him that question I’ve got to ask my ram brethren who support the hire.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I guess you could try tweeting him on his twitter page.

By the way, are you an NFL coach or connected in anyway with the NFL in a professional way?

Just thought I’d ask. ;-) lol

Jeff Fisher has a twitter???

No, I have little to no experience at all, just like 90% of fans.

Do you?
Does it matter?

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Born with the last name Schottenheimer

That is all

DCRamFan - January 21, 2012 reply

in total agreement

The nepotism in this league is frankly horrendous and BS is the poster child of it in my opinion.

Fisher was accused of creating a good ol boy’s club in TEN and it seems he’s doing the same here…

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

like i posted above,

the difference between Sam and Sanchez is night and day. Sam can execute the offense with a Head Coach that is willing to take the muzzle off.

papapegasus - January 21, 2012 via Android app reply

+1

Le Ram - January 21, 2012 reply

statistically Sanchez was better than Sam last year

Yet we still maintain Sam is better…

Interesting comparison: Sam was best running the no huddle, avoiding McD’s poor playcalls and running a fast tempo attack… Likewise with Sanchez but replace McD with BS.

Sam is wayyy more talented than Sanchez, but he was a warrior to survive the same sort of QB killing playcalls Sam was unable to survive last year, his poor play has a direct correlation to the poor job BS did, likewise with Sam’s due to McD.

You can’t say just because Sam is more talented than Sanchez the system will be better, because you’d be ignoring something rather key in the equation… The supporting cast.

BS not only mismanaged Sanchez, but he also mismanaged a much more talented OLine, star WRs, legit RB corps (deep), and very talented TEs.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Roger that

with the mismanagement. Again though, just like Spags holding down Shurmur and McyD, I think the management of the game, i.e. Putting the ball in Sanchez’s hand more often, was undue influence from the Head Coach and ownership. In such a high profile market as New York the team is under even more pressure to win. The Jets have made Sanchez the face of the franchise and by proxy forced the hand of BS to throw the ball more.

papapegasus - January 21, 2012 reply

Thats dumb

If they are under more pressure to win, which they are, they would call the plays necessary to win the damn game.

richter122 - January 21, 2012 reply

Agreed.

You would think they would call the plays to win. Much like calling 3 pass plays in a row from the 1 yard line with a RB like Steven Jackson in your stable.

papapegasus - January 22, 2012 via Android app reply

most accusations of Rex Ryan's poor coaching

Stem from peoples’ belief he was TOO hands off with regards to managing the offense. That he allowed BS to mismanage their franchise QB and that all star offense.

Also, what’s more likely: an ownership who’d interfere in playcalls to expose their QB to a beating and lose revenue by not getting to the playoffs

OR

BS is a clueless moron as evidenced by his time in SD aswell as with Pennington and Favre… Not just Sanchez

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

Red zone infemous

The jets were first in the nfl in red zone scoring. !st 1st 1st and something like 24 in total offense. Again 1st in red zone scoring. Rams were what last or close enough to last for me. Fix a couple missing pieces and we’re good.

Mudsharktoo - January 21, 2012 reply

I agree we will be better...

But Rex Ryan brought in Tom Moore to work Redzone offense last year. That’s why they were number 1.

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

couple of answers

This was only after the hiring of a co-OC who was hired to fix BS’ poor RZ playcalling, check how he did with Pennington etc.

You’ve got to also consider personnel. More RZ targets (Burress, Holmes, Keller) aswell as an OLine that could make a HB dive work.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

The change in our red zone effectiveness wasn't due to Schotty

It was due to us bringing in Tom Moore as an offensive consultant. That was why he was brought in.

OldJetsFanatic - January 22, 2012 reply

Im gunna have to put my faith in Big Fish

until he gives me a reason not to. He’s earned that right, i believe.

Lexxi - January 21, 2012 reply

Boo

DCRamFan - January 21, 2012 reply

Well since us, the fans, don't make such huge personnel decisions

We have to have faith. If you don’t like it, guess you’ll have to buy the rams

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm willing to give him a chance does that mean I think he'll succeed nope but it also

doesn’t I think he’ll fail either but I do think he deserves a chance.

Freewheeler2 - January 21, 2012 reply

I would like to know what the deciding factors were in hiring him over Hue.

modano9 - January 21, 2012 reply

As TST is developing into a more and more reputable, if not the most reputable, source of Ram discussion

Is there any way ya’ll could swindle an interview with Fish, BS and/or Gregg Williams?

Or even better an open Q&A with them?

It is my belief that they each have to prove themselves as the people for the job and hope they do too, and as such are open to doing so by conducting an open and honest discourse with the fans?

Can ya’ll do that TST guys?

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I doubt a coach would do that for a blog.

Do they even do QandA? I haven’t seen any yet.

T.Ram - January 21, 2012 reply

I guarantee you that Ryan and 3k are already thinking of how to get these interviews:and more

TST has a great rep with Demoff. If he’s appointed Kroenke’s new team President, I think we’ll see some great interviews coming our way.
As to the Schottenheimer hire: Since it’s a done deal, let’s all find a happy place and wait to see if it works out

here's to that!

Would love to see what you guys could manage with regards to the open discourse with management and even players!

About the hire, I see what you mean, but I feel its important to openly discuss the collective wisdom of management. We have been too placid for too long as a fanbase and need to hold people accountable the same way we hope the new regime hold the players…

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Totally agree that we shouldn't blindly accept without voicing an opinion

We also need the St. Louis media to hold Fisher to the fire each week. The milk and cookies press conferences during Spags time here did no one any good

agreed entirely!

I think its TST’s opportunity to blaze a trail!

In order to be a big team we need to think big and as such put the same scrutiny we see NY, Dallas etc. Media put on their respective teams.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Fisher knows more about football turn rex, us, or the jets fans

Imo..sanchez sucks and rex was so defensive minded that he didn’t know how to control shotty.give fisher a chance

fewer home games

this will possibly increase attendence by making fewer chances available and may make the stadium more alive by having more people there as the rams hate to say sort of rebuild or better retool the team

sgtprey - January 21, 2012 reply

Everyone listen to me!

This troll gets hungrier the more we feed him. He will eat TST if we doubt starve him to death. PLEASE IGNORE HIM

LMFAO....

the cancer is back!!!! Just when things started to look up :(

Sounds weird but

Something tells me he is over 40 for done reason lol

Saw this, the more teams interested, the more we can get for it....

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, “a handful of NFL scouts” prefer Baylor QB Robert Griffin III to presumptive No. 1 overall pick Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper recently insisted there was no chance Griffin could overtake Luck as this year’s most coveted prospect, but it’s clear there’s going to be huge interest in the 2011 Heisman Trophy winner. It is more likely than not someone acquires the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick to select RGIII.

I really hope the Rams end up trading this selection, if Fisher and the GM are smart about this they could end up with alot of key pieces for the future via the draft.

The absolute only way we don't trade down

Is if fisher wants kalil that bad or teams don’t bite.this us why fisher chose us imo

Reminds me of Stafford and Sanchez

I am with Kiper in not buying this talk anyone would take Griffin over Luck, however, if Luck was not in this draft Griffin would easily be top QB.

I think come draft day Luck will go number 1 regardless of who picks there (Colts saying they’ll take him could be power play for a huge ass trade). And this Griffin hype, while deserved, is what we always see around draft time. Its based on little imo.

I’m with you bout trading tho. If we can’t engineer a trade I’d be quite worried. I’d take a 1st this year and next year and then anything else on top (hopefully a 2nd this year) will be a bonus. I want us to regain that long term vision of building deep perennial championship teams that was the aim of Spags and Devaney before they fucked it up trying to win now. Hopefully the stability of this Fisher hire will allow us to stick to a particular drafting ethos.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

If I was a GM (or HC) I would rather have Griffin than Luck...

Luck seemed like just a game manager this year where Griffin was the whole offense. Griffin did more than Luck and with less talent around him. Luck didnt produce the way a number 1 pick should in his two big games this year (Oregon and Ok. St.).

You're a braver man than i and many others

I think Luck’s ceiling is limited and he is overhyped, but he’s still a fantastic prospect, and what is a decider for me is purely durability over RGIII.

I think Luck’s frame is more NFL durable and his transition will be easier.

Luck is a safer bet, with less upside than RGIII, but RGIII has more of a propensity to fully bust (through injury)
Luck could just be disappointing.. He’s basically a stronger more athletic Matt Ryan to me.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I do agree with that...

I think Luck is the safer bet, but if RG3 lives up to his full potential watch out NFL. I think he is a better prospect than Cam Newton as a QB. He isnt as electric as Cam but a Much better passer imo.

agreed!

If you could get RGIII’s arm and accuracy and demeanour on Cam’s frame you’d have the perfect QB.

Cam is pretty damn impressive as a prospect though, and has proven it in the pros. It’ll be interesting to see if RGIII can transition aswell as Cam did, and I can only hope an organisation invests in him as their guy equally as well Carolina did.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

My only problem with RGIII is his physical size...

His legs don’t look up to taking an NFL pounding, and his height may work against him, though I think Brees is the same height?

hes a bit taller

But it will be an issue no doubt.

The thinness is my main concern too.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Cam proved me wrong this year...

I thought he had bust all over him but he turned out to be the next rising star. Cam was a much better passer than I thought he would be and he can run better than some starting RB’s. RG3 has a better arm and accuracy but is a smaller guy. If a team invests in RG3 they way Carolina did and focus more on RG3’s strengths (staying in the pocket and passing) and can keep him off the ground he will make big plays passing and running when necessary. I just hope RG3 goes to a team like Miami,Washington,or Cleveland. They all seem to have some pieces in place to build towards the future and if they can keep him healthy, RG3 can be their Franchise QB.

i think Washington is the best fit

But they need to invest in him as you said. The way they treated Jason Campbell was atrociously disgusting and tinged with racial undertones… IMO

Hopefully Cam’s success will help eradicate the the archaic assumptions and labels attached to black QBs…

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

He'll last long in Cleveland with their OL

I have to admit I was one who thought Cam would fail miserably. Now I think he may be the best QB in the NFL in a few years if he stays healthy

+1000

I thought Cam had bust written all over him, now he might be the next big thing for the NFL.

if Chud stays

And they can find a way to counter all the inventions we’ll see made to counter someone like Cam…

It’ll be interesting to see how well the Panthers can adjust to adjustments made by defenses!

If he avoids a sophomore slump Cam will be a top 5 QB in the league for a while.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

With all this hiring and firing at 1 Rams Way who will be going to

the Senior Bowl and the East West Shrine Bowl to check out the college draft candidates? The HC, OC and DC? They are hardly in the front door and don’t even have thier offices in order yet.

So? Who goes to check out the college kids?

Maybe they ought to send 3k...He'd do a good job.

Go Rams!

i'd second that

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I think the Rams hiring 3k for their scouting department would be a great idea.

Maybe they go to day or maybe they check out taped footage

Still have the senior bowl pro days and combine anyway

I Like The Hire

Now it’s time to watch how he and Fisher implement their offense. A QB friendly offense with fewer drop steps, quicker releases, strong run game, bigger O-Line, and capable WR’s to go along with Lloyd and Amendola is my guess.

ValdezY - January 21, 2012 reply

Do they have to be in rams jerseys too?

That Would Be Nice!

ValdezY - January 21, 2012 reply

Lol in all seriousness

I love what we’re doing.

Isnt nike taking over jerseys next season?

RG31 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Yup

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

starting this september or september 2013?

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Almost positive 2012

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

this upcoming september..

RG31 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

wow i hope the designs are better than those mocked ones

I’d like to see a simple and classy design, like a sleeker one of the current, but the helmets cannot changed at all.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Yea

I think the mocked ones were alright but I just hope they look good..

RG31 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

It makes me wonder

if they are planning to keep Sam?

OakCityRam - January 21, 2012 reply

i'd dump sam and go with the heisman winner-----unfortunately i don't think sams

gonna be the real deal

Yea

Fisher and the owner still have faith in him.
Plus to add, the rams were the last team in the modern era to pick a qb with the first (or even first round) pick, they just don’t pick Qbs in the first, he’s not going anywhere.

RG31 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm fine with Schotty

He had Sanchez. When you try to make a sandwich out of shit, you’ll still have a shit sandwich. Sam is better, much better. I’m sure Fish wouldn’t have hired him if he thought he wasn’t good.

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

down to 7 home games---'california here i come-right back where i started from'

The Rams started in Cleveland

Ramfan4life - January 21, 2012 reply

it's all about selling tickets ---unfortunately its easier to get crowds in 7 games than 8

more compressed…..out here on the coast we feel its a 4 year plan to get back here…..o and the 49 er fans are laffing in my face

You've already had 2 teams and lost them both!!!

Piss poor fans in la

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I think Hue will wind up in Pittsburgh

"london calling from a far away town"

kroaneke is a real sly fox

Seriously motherfucker

At least learn to spell. I’m sure you spell it Stephen Jackson too.
I just picture that guy from the world of Warcraft episode of south park, with chips on his fat gut

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

You shouldn't be able to post if your comments are retarded and u can't spell!

Maybe one or the other but not both!! Go away!

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I answered above to infemous

The jets were first in red zone scoring . 1st that’s 1st We were 30 or 31. Seems like an upgade in offense to me. So I’m good with it.

Mudsharktoo - January 21, 2012 reply

I think Shotty will have more success than McD

hurry hurry get your rams tickets --only 7 home games per season for the next 3 years

21 home games and syanora……..“WITH AN ACHIN IN MY HEART”

As tevin pointed out

Rams will make soooo much money on that deal, smart move

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Dont feed the troll..

RG31 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

You're right

He never replies to his own moronic comments like a little bitch

sergey606 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

+1000

I stopped responding to his post a looooong time ago, he cant talk football rationally so he just tries stirring crap up

i think we are all starting to see the big picture---lets not kid ourself

o and by the way what are we gonna do about our receiving corp

isn’t it ironic that josh lands up in the afc title game

only in ramland

maybe its a conspiracy better b careful mib might come

sgtprey - January 21, 2012 reply

our receiving corp

i’m guessing we should throw the ball to them ? don’t think can punt our play lb i would hate to see them as cheerleaders !

sgtprey - January 21, 2012 reply

Maybe

Shotty can bring over Braylon Edwards, he’s a fa

miketrap3 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

you do realize he was hired while they are in the play off's right??

Freewheeler2 - January 21, 2012 reply

Who?

The niners? Who are you talking about?

miketrap3 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

some guys at gang green share my opinion

That fisher can control schotty. They also said that bradford is a thinker which is his you’re of qb…good.

Mixed Emotions

I’m torn on this move. Everything that I’ve read about Schotty from the Jets perspective has been negative. However, I trust Fisher because he interviewed Jackson too and he must have seen something in Schotty that he liked. On the other hand, even if Schotty doesn’t do horrible, he’ll likely leave for a HC job after this year.

CoolRam - January 21, 2012 reply

I dont think Shotty will get a HC offer...

after just one year with the Rams. Thats why I was a bit weary of signing Hue as OC, he would leave for the first HC position available. I dont see Shotty doing that, it should give Bradford some stability for the next 2-3 years. He was the Jets OC from 2006-2011, if he was wanting to leave for a HC job he would have left after the back to back conference championship games he took the Jets to. He took his name out of consideration for the Bills HC position in 09. Everyone forgets he had success with the Jet’s (and Sanchez) the previous two years before this last one. Sanchez even led them to the Championship game as a RC, Bradford is much more talented than Sanchez. I think Shotty will do a good job with Sam and will be around a few years.

^this

I’m sure when Sam and Fisher talked Sam said, “please just get someone that will be here a while.”

jmo53 - January 22, 2012 via Android app reply

Wow, you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a team with worse coordinators than us.

I hope I’m wrong, but right now Schottenheimer and Williams look like awful hires. Couldn’t we get anybody better?

StopSpe - January 21, 2012 reply

Those two were probably the biggest names floating around right now at their position..

People forget what Shotty did with the Jets and what Williams did with the Saints. In 2010 the Saints were ranked 4th in the NFL in total defense and in 09 they led the league in turnovers. Before this last season Shotty led the Jets to back to back conference championship games. They both didnt have a great year this last year but both have had a lot of success in the past.

The defense took the Jets to the AFC championship.

The offense just did enough not to screw it up.

runningblack - January 21, 2012 reply

The defense can only do so much...

the offense has to find a way to put points on the board and they did.

if i could rec on a phone i would

Although Williams has a chance to be better… He’s proven to be good in the past, although his playcalling vs the 49ers was pretty bad, despite being put in bad positions due to turnovers.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I am so sorry.

Pennington, Favre, and Brees all went on to have career years after getting out of Schotty offenses.

If Sanchez takes a huge step forward this year too, then, well, that sucks.

But as a 49ers fan, I don’t like this OC carousel you guys have, seeing as you’re giving Bradford the Alex Smith treatment. That said, I think continuing the carousel will do less damage than sticking with Schotty for longer for a year.

runningblack - January 21, 2012 reply

Also, be prepared to see a TON of run - run - pass.

…Followed by 63 dropbacks when you go down.

runningblack - January 21, 2012 reply

I my self am worried about the alex smith treatment

And although Sam is a smart guy, doesn’t exclude the fact he’s been drug through was going to be three offenses already in his young career, feel sorry for him..

RG31 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I think Alex Smith's success is due to his thick skin too. 49ers fans threw sooooo much hate his way, as did the sports media in general, for quite a few years.

appreciate the concern

I’m starting to think like thoughts, in that a one and done year with Schotty would be beneficial despite having 4 different offenses in 4 years.

We have to see how the year goes and I hope to god that we’re proven wrong but it’d take a miracle in my opinion…

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

Well if he turns out to coach like his initials, then

Fisher can always replace him!
Until then, BS’s complicated scheme mixed-
with Fisher’s conservative approach should balance out.
Fisher will make sure of that.
Escpecially seeing that he-himself will be
the eventual fallguy.
Intresting group of characters/coahes we have now in place. This will be fun to watch.
Go Rams!

look closer - January 21, 2012 reply

not sure interesting is necessarily a good thing...

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

coaches

look closer - January 21, 2012 reply

Well at least we have an OC....

Even though he sucks.

I hope we don’t bring in any more morons from NY.

Stat sheets and different personel do not tell the whole story.

Want to know the underlying theme between HC, DC, OC? They have all been in the playoffs more often than not. They are all players coaches and all of them extremists. I’m not promoting everyone to drink the koolaid but, give them a shot. If at the bye week next year we are worse off than we were this previous year I will tip my hat to all of these nay sayin armchair QBs.

Ramrocker - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Fine.

But I haven’t heard many positives about this guy.

extremism is seldom a good thing in any field, especially in the NFL

Success is predicated on the ability to adjust and each member of staff hired has shown an inability to do so. Swallowing pride and ego is not something easily learnt and its something that needs to be done with regards to our HC, OC and DC.

Its one thing establishing identity and its another thing cutting off a finger to spite your hand.
You can have an identity without being one dimensional and this is a huge issue with regards to all 3 key staff positions.

Infemous - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

I think the biggest issue with that statement is..

That we will have an identity. We are going to run the ball and play great defense. If you think that idea is archaic then i guess the 9ers, an Ravens won +10 games by luck. There is multiple ways to win in this league and I think there is a lot of continuity throughout this staff. Fisher isn’t one dimensional either, last time I checked Eddie george was the rushing champ followed by McNair throwing for 4k the next year. Each of these coaches have had up and down years. But, it’s what you choose to evaluate them on will base your opinion of all three hires. Williams D was the sole reason the Saints won a Super Bowl. Shottys ground n pound keep that great defense healthy and Fish manages a game better than most. He gets a lot of output from little talent and hopefully will change all of your pessamistic asses quick. Sad thing is though is that no matter the outcome next year weather it’s playoffs or not, you will probably still bitch. It’s cool though, every fan base needs the negative nellies to balance out us optimistic KoolAid drinkers.

Ramrocker - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app reply

i think you misunderstood me

There is nothing wrong with identity. In fact I’d say having one is a very very good thing. The issue is, is you have to be able to deviate from it when the situation demands.

Agreed about up and down years, but Schotty has had only ONE up year his entire career.
Fisher has had 2 winning seasons in his last 8 seasons in charge and he refused to do what was best for his team due to some personal issue he had with VY.

Saints D the SOLE reason? Not Drew Brees even just a tiny lil bit?
I think its important Williams knows when to blitz and when not to, but generally I don’t mind his hiring. I like his scheme but its obviously flawed and he needs an offense to put points on the board. With BS as OC we may see a cataclysmic mess with regards to our defense… Same as last year.

Can’t say I agree Fisher gets a lot out of low talent players.. But I hope he does that here.
I’m actually a huge optimist, but have been turned sour by some questionable decisions by this new regime. I can’t drink the kool aid if I know its full of shit, and I see the shit floating on the surface to bro. Can’t nobody say its bad for me to try and draw your attention to it coz nobody wants to drink kool aid full of shit do they? Do they?

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

Tell that to bellichek (sp)

He’s pretty one dimensional. Tom Brady

Rcoon1307 - January 21, 2012 via mobile reply

did you really just say that?

Belicheck is the best HC in the league due to his and his staffs’ ability to adjust and put their players in a position to successfully comprehend and execute the adjustments.

Infemous - January 22, 2012 via mobile reply

I hadn't heard many positives about Jswirbs mom....

But lemme tell ya, she positively can suck……. A popsicle like a champ. So before ya judge, see how it turns out

Ramrocker - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Alright.