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Stan Kroenke Unwilling To Pay Jeff Fisher? Last-Minute Leverage Games?

All day Wednesday, it was reported that Jeff Fisher was leaning toward the Miami Dolphins over the St. Louis Rams. The reason cited most often were Fisher's concerns about the Rams potential relocation. It may be simpler than that, it may be more about money and power.

According to a report from the NFL Network, Rams owner Stan Kroenke has yet to display a willingness to make Fisher one of the highest paid coaches in the league, something that would require a salary around $7 million per year. The Dolphins and owner Stephen Ross may be willing to give Fisher something closer to $8 million per season.

Fisher is also likely to be named an executive vice president of whichever team that hires him. That title would put him higher up the food chain than the general manager. He's said to prefer the organizational structure of the Dolphins, but it isn't clear why since he'd have the title to run the show almost any way he wants.

Now that salary numbers are being thrown out and a decision has yet to be made, it certainly looks as though there's a leverage game going on here, even in the absence of any formal contract negotiations.

Concerns about a potential move are still cited as a factor in Fisher's thinking, but there could even be some maneuvering on that front.

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If Kronke isn't willing to pay him that much

that’s a good thing. He’s a good coach, but no way is he elite and he doesn’t deserve elite coach money.

Nobody's worth what they are paid in the NFL

Time for Kronke to put up or shut up. If Fisher is the best choice pay him. If not tell him to F off and face the music… ain’t it ain’t going to be pretty.

Yeah, but you still aren't going to pay Roger Saffold elite OT money

there still is a system of value that has been put in place, and paying Fisher $8 million doesn’t’ come close to fitting that system

My sources say Fisher will be in a Rams shirt by noon time friday
Agree

I like Fischer but c’mon in reality 16 years in one organization and how many Super Bowls has he won? Well needless to say the closest he came to a win was 1 yard and that didn’t even work.

So the miami reports

Could be fisher trying to force kroenke’s hand?

This is just too much.

Under no circumstances should Fisher be paid that much or be given that much power. They’re just begging him to rip their franchise apart. The LAST THING that I want in the Rams new HC is someone who can straight up tell our GM to shut his mouth in the draft room. I’m practically at the point where I don’t even want him anymore. Rob Chudzinski all the way!

I'm feeling the same way

Chud for 2012? Sure, that signing wouldn’t irritate me.

I'm starting to lean towards the same direction
This is how I've started to feel today

Askibg price is getting too high

Its pretty amazing what looking for a job at the right time will do for an OK coach
I'd offer him $5-6 million a year

but not increase from there and just let him walk if that’s not good enough

I couldn't care less about how much money Kroenke gives him.

What bothers me is the amount of control over the franchise that he’s likely trying to command. It’s like he wants the power and respect of Bill Belichick. That terrifies me.

That is also a concern
and he also basically wants to run the team

And have all the fans’ daughter as his slaves

$7 MILL a year for a coach? F*** NO!
Lol agree/disagree

Ya he isnt elite, but another coordinator might cost him 2 million in tickets….Im torn!

If he can bring us greg williams and other nih time coordinaters

Pay him

Were fine on defense

Its offense….Chud For President!!!!!
Besides, Fisher is already overrated.

If we'd get a coach that was actually good, it wouldn't matter what they Coordinated

Belichick was a DC, yet look at the Pats

Point taken
we were last in rush defense
I think the Bucs were

Not that we were much better

I wonder if he's losing just as much respect out of the Dolphins fanbase?
Fuck it, not worth it

Give me Horton

If he is in it for the money i say fuck him

we need a coach that wants to coach the team, not one that wants big money.

Good god.

$7 mil a year is completely insane. Completely and utterly insane. Either this is a mountainous load of disinformation coming from the Dolphins, or I’m perfectly fine with moving on to Chud or Rick James.

I’ve got a strong feeling that this may just be total bullshit.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way

I was never the biggest fan of his in general. I just felt the Rams needed an established coach for a better turn around time.

I’d love to go for a coordinator who’s young and up and coming. That just leaves us with a bigger gamble since you don’t know what you’re going to get out of a coordinator.

Horton?
Just because Tomlin was a similar interview, doesn't mean that Horton even compares
Tomlin made the Vikes the leagues #1 rush defense

The Cards defense was hardly turning heads.

Giants stopped Brady and Moss

Howd that coach work out? Sometimes it’s the game adjustments and not just the stats that matter for a HC

I still like him better than the other candidates

Something to be said for a guy who didn’t just have the best year statistically

Who knows?

Really what can we tell about these guys after just one year coaching their respective teams. I don’t know that much about either guy to be honest but Horton clearly didn’t have a great defensive year statistically for AZ. Stats aren’t every thing and the only games of theirs I watched were against the Rams and every D looks good against the Rams.

Chud had a great year in Carolina obviously but it was his first year there. He also got a hot young QB. So who helped whom out? Is it mutual? What about the previous 2 seasons as OC for the Browns? We don’t know if he’d keep that up.

The problem with a coordinator is you just don’t know how they’ll turn into a HC. I’ve said before Spags was the hottest coordinator when the Rams hired him after he didn’t pan as an HC.

What are you feeling? Keep some defensive focus or hire an offensive coach who will take care of Bradford?

Boom, brick said it best at the start

Why pay him that much money, when he’s not really an elite coach?
I respect Kroenke for not throwing money at him like the phins….and they are coming off as desperate for doing so

I didn't think that getting him would require a pact with the Devil
well that's because they are desperate
Ok you guys kno more than me chyd

chud or horton.. Who ya got?

Preferably Chud.

But both are my fallback options at this point.

Horton

I’ll take the guy cause I like the idea of the guy who got the job in the interview (intangible stuff) and not just what his players put out on the field for him. I’d take either really, but prefer Horton

I like chud

Just cause I want an offensive minded coach and I like what he did with steve smith

Good point, and I like Chud as well

But I’m not sure how much I want to entrust a guy who had access to Cam as HC because of his offense play calling

Lol true

You dnt need to be a guru to ask cam newton to ball hard

Cam Newton

He studied under Terrell Suggs at Balls-So-Hard U!

bitchin!

I was literally saying that in my head when you wrote it lmao!

Anybody else love when in the Raven Charger game Terrell Suggs

Head Slapped Brick Hand McMichael? I thought it was awesome. Never see Headslaps any more. Mostly cuz they are illegal.

Deacon Jones made it illegal.

because he was so fucking good at it.

Yeah it was Deemed "too effective"

Deacon Jones was so good they had to make a rule to try and make him worse. BAD ASS!

Yet they didnt deem "Randy Moss when he gives a damn" too effective

What up with that?

Randy Moss smoking weed makes him too effective.
KC's Freddie "The Hammer" Williamson

The hammer refered to his head slaps.

Chud. Period.

The thought of us adding two more needs to a draft class because of a defensive switch makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out. We already learned via McDicksuck that you get guys to fit your personel, not fitting players into a scheme that they aren’t built for. If that’s the case I will take Carriker back because he fits the five technique like a mother effer. Let’s get an offensive mind who likes to run the ball. Chud! Chud! Chud!…. Because Horton will make me wanna Chug! Chug! Chug!

McDicksuck...lol, perfect.
I just

don’t…fucking…care. Hire somebody already, anybody.

I'll take, whoever will be the best head coach
Illegal procedure.
I'm just don't know if I want Chud for this reason:

People will have an easy time with the embarrassing nickname. You think “Spags” was stupid? Wait till someone says “Hope Chub can help Sam straighten it out”

HA!

I know, such an awful nickname. But hopefully it would become a household name like the Tuna, the Chin or the Hoody.

What was Cowher? The Spittle?
Lol no. Cowher = Chin

Cowher dissapproves.
Bill Cowher = Worthy of $7-8 million

Jeff Fisher = Worthy of $4-5 million

Jim Harbaugh with 0 nfl coaching experience got somewhere around 6 mill

Fisher is worth about 7/

I think Fisher is better then Cowher as a HC
Spittle seems more appropriate

And Tomlin should be the “Big Angry Looking Black Guy Stare”

Im black!

jk this was funny lmao tomlin is omar epps twin bro

OMG, I watch every episode of House and never noticed that

You gotta admit, he got big eyes!

Someone, I've found our next coach:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/House/Images/omar-epps-5.jpg.
It’s as close as we can get to Tomlin

Holy shit.

It’s like they’re clones.

Put that guy in steelers clothes and

abduct Tomlin and replace him with this other guy. We have our new HC.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0812/athlete.lookalikes.fan.submissions/images/mike-tomlin-omar-epps.jpg

Post this

lol yea first time I saw him I was like

O_o dude looks crazy familiar. Then I watched “juice” and was like oooooo lmao

Invalid entry
My sources say fish Will make his decision bright and early thursday morning! Stay tuned!
Bring in Chud already.
Seriously,

I agree with whoever said he should not be paid that much. I wouldn’t mind if we did it, but I’m not losing sleep if it’s the reason we don’t land him.

Same here.

Fisher wants power and money but the amounts of both are outrageous.

I mostly disagree with the Bill Parcells power trip thing

He’s an avg to above avg coach. No way does he warrent total control fo the front office. I understand why he wants it but I wouldn’t give it.

When was Bill Parcells brought up?
Wanting total power to make decisions is reminiscent of Parcells.

Parcells was a better coach though and highly persued when he was free to take new jobs.

Saying Fisher wants "Parcells with the Cowboys" power
Parcells is one of the best coaches ever and could turn trash into treasure so to speak.
He wants "Shurmur with the Browns" power.
Shurmur only got that job cuz his uncle was Fritz.
Hah yup,

he has no power. I was just messin’. It’s all Holmgren over there.

Fritz should go to the bengals, lions or panthers

So he can be Fritz the cat

That would be cool.
I'd say

he’s pretty well above average, but he’s not even $5 million above average, let alone $8 million. Pay him or let him walk, either way it’s fine.

John Harbaugh is being payed like 5 mill

Is Fish worth 3+ mill more? No

When you put it that way

Maybe he is

No he isn't

Harbaugh West > Fisher

Not by track record/longevity

Haurbagh took over a team loaded with talent but with a dysfunctional coaching staff. He has done a great job with them but needs a few more years to be compared to fisher.

I still wouldnt pay Fisher 3 mil more knowing how good Harbaugh is
If a newbie can be paid $5 mil per year

An experienced coach with a proven ability to succeed is woth more.

Harbaugh didn't also get to own the franchise and bang fans' wives

Thats part of Fisher’s negotiations

Does his salary count against our salary cap?

Maybe a dumb question. jw

ok how many wanna vote we bring spags back hahaha
My sources say

Belichick being forced out in New England, Fisher’s taking over.

Is there a notification setting

on that SBNation app? I downloaded it as soon as it came out but I have yet to actually use it.. Anyone know? I’ll be sleeping in tomorrow and I don’t want to miss a beat.

Thanks. Jerks...
I don't use that shit

Way overly complicated

Rams will suck next year regardless of the coach.

Thanks for being up beat.
Have you met jswrb?
I think he is JSWIRB.

JSWIRB is Skunkburner, who is all played by RamChop

This reminds me of an episode of Family Guy
I'm a dude, playin' a dude, disguised as another dude!
Tropic Thunder FTW!
Cover me you limp dick fucka!
Damn.

lost at birth?
Have to be.

Fucking twins or something.

Or it's just proof

That all black people look the same. Probably not

I was going to say that

Then I didn’t

Their moms got some splaining to do!
I see what you did there.
I don't
Because you are stupid.
King sam

There’s an episode on house where they reference tomlin and epps

Really? Season?

Is it pre or post Huddy?

Not sure

Just youtube mike tomlin omar epps

wears hat mike tomlin. Takes off hat omar epps

Cant explain tht

I'm going to make that right now.
Lol plz do

And show us

It's not going to have the right O'Riley pic but eh what the hell.
Lol still worth it
Which one makes more money?
like clark kent/superman?
Never understood that

Superman hide! *puts on glasses and walks away not giving a single fuck

lol i know right..it was simply a pair of bifocals not even a mask
It's stupid.

“OH HAI SUPERMAN!” *puts glasses on “Oh hi Clark you little bitch. Did you get the new covers on those TPS reports?”

Well, he also always holds back his power and risks losing

Ive seen what happens when he lets loose on a bad guy, it kicks ass

they all look the same to me lmfao
fishers workin my nerves
And the joke flies over all of your heads.

chud as head coach gerard approves - Gerard Approves

It's working so far
UNEXPLAINABLE!

wears hat mike tomlin takes hat off omar epps you cant  - Bill O Reilly

Lmao!

Saving

Bosh looks like a black avatar btw

And a raptor

Wasnt it so fitting

When he played for the raptors.true story every time I joked about him being a real raptor, no one would understand

How could people not see it
They ended up dropping out sooooo
somebody made a picture like that before with his head on a dinosaur body
Like this?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Looks so natural lol
Thoughts:

I’m such a badass, Charles knows nothing, I’m such a badass,

yes i believe so lol
Better comparison

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yCMCnd4Pz8Y/TcF5Dx6PmNI/AAAAAAAAAEs/CpaZ_O3HJTU/s640/bosh.jpg

Don't worry I post that shit for you.

Youtube chris bosh gay press conference for a good laff

Dude is so zesty

Seriously?

What was a better comparison, Tomlin/Epps

or

Raptor/And guy with dreads who used to be formerly known as playing for the raptors?

Hard to say but I'm going with Tomlin Epps
I'm legit scared of Mikar Tompps

He would control the world if his two halves ever became one again

lol

they could both stare holes into the meanest dudes.imagine if you double it

wonder twins power activate...
Would so rec this
But you can't.
not from mobile

So close.. Yet so far far away :’(

Too bad....

Bitch.

lol

dnt make me txt assault ur ass

What ever you can't even Rec stuff

but I sure “Rec’d” your mom EH! In your face!

Nah I’m just kidding.

Lmao

No offense taken dude

Just found something that made me happy and sad at the same time.


When we knew this wouldn’t be our season.

Oh man that was Hilarious.

Come on NY why you gotta be faking injuries to slow down our offense or lack there of.

Grant did a better job of selling his injury

then again he’s a seasoned Vet.

Awesome.

I remember those days. Early enough in the season that I still had hope.

There are many moments in the season when it went down hill for us. That was the first. A really promising drive slowed down by fake injuries and it go in their heads… and then the wheels came off.

If any of you are still on I will see you guys tomorrow.
Just like the Magic's Howard

This could all be a dance to see how much he gets. Better to have two dates for the dance then one. Its all about the money. I like fisher for his 17 years exp. and he should know what talent looks like. He is too smart to draft fillers and go for BEST TALENT ON THE BOARD! something we haven’t done since Holt!

ALL HAIL THE LOS ANGELES RAMS PART 2

This was the litmus test. The Rams offered Jeff Fisher equal money to that being shown by the Dolphins, the Rams have a franchise calibre QB in Sam Bradford in place, excellent cap space. the #2 pick in the draft and also JF was going to be able to choose his own staff. The ONLY thing Fisher demanded from all the rumors I hear is that Stan Kroenke give him a promise that football was a long term deal in St Louis, he didn’t want to go through another upheaval the way he had to when the Oilers moved from Houston to Tennessee. It seems that Kroenke counld’t give him that guarantee. This is a GREAT day for all Los Angeles Rams fans.

ok have to reply

when we lost the cardinals after the 87 season there was know way i wanted them back so whats up with you guys in la

Did you even read this article?

The part about $7 million a year and an insane amount of power? And once again, I’ll say it for Brick Top: Fisher not signing does NOT mean the Rams are moving, and likewise if he signs- it doesn’t mean they’re staying.

The Chargers are now on a year-to-year lease, starting next season. They’re a stronger possibility than the Rams, so tuck your boner away. Remember: Dean Spanos is the fuckwit who didn’t fire his egoistical buffoon of a GM or his inept, underachieving head coach.

Who cares what he is paid? Pay him what The market bares its not coming from our pockets!
kronke is a cheap fucking bastard

he is an owner that has never won a championship since the first year he owned the avalanche so see you in La. Guess he learned to much from sam walton. Scab loving prick

Kromer

I will take a guy with some toughness. I think Kromer could have the same effect of this team that Cable did on the Raiders. Not sold on Horton hears a who. Any coach that has a name in a Dr Seuss movie should not be our HC. Chud had a one year wonder with a top notch athlete. He was a TE coach in SD where he had Gates. I would like a coach with some toughness this time around. I say set up a cage and let them fight and whoever walks out is the HC. Whoever walks out second is the DC and third the OC and fourth ST.

Fisher isn't sold on St. Louis

So I think if he doesn’t make up his mind by this afternoon, you call him and say no thanks. And you move on to the next best candidate

The good news is

he isn’t sold on Miami either.

Regardless of how this shakes out, I’m glad to see the brass lining up other candidates.

I think

Stan is reluctant to spend the big money because he knows it’s going to take more than a HC to turn this around. If we were last years niners where you had talent and guys just needed coached up then maybe. Say what you want about Spags and I supported him because he did get the team to play hard. Obviously playing hard doesn’t always equal wins. I do agree perhaps he wasn’t HC material but this team still lacks talent. Fisher migh have squeaked out a couple more wins last year but is that worth the money. I think not. If you want to make top pay you better be sure you put together a contender year in and year out. I would make his contract worth 8-9 mil but it is all 50% incentive based. X amount for each win, X amount for playoffs, X amount for playoff wins ect.

Hmmm...

Okay. Now we’re hearing Fisher may want more cash ($8 million) and more power (executive VP). Maybe he’s beginning to price himself out of a highly lucrative market. That’s more salary and power than Billicheat currently has with the Patriots. With those sorts of demands I’m sure Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, and/or John Gruden can be pried from their seats in the broadcast booth to coach this team. I like Fisher, but the fact that he’s making this a reality TV event is starting to rub on me. Before I make him a pie in the sky offer, I’m going back to one of the 3 coaches mentioned to see if they’ll take it first.

All I can say is: Well played Fish

He’s got Stan by the balls. It will probably cost more in the long run to not hire him now. No way any of those other proven coaches are coming to the Rams.

I hope Kronke doesn’t take things personally and take a big chance on another unproven coach. What’s an extra million in the grand scheme of things?

I like Fish, but now he's being overpriced...

and I say Miami can have him. Theres still options out there that can be had cheaper with HC experience. For instance, there are head coaches in the college ranks with NFL coaching experience. Fisher doesn’t have the same resume as Bill Cowher or Bill Billicheat. Why pay him more than those guys? No need to get in a bidding war over a coach that couldn’t win a SB in 17 years with his last team.

If I'm Stan, I'm starting to take option 'B' a lot more serious...

Better than overpaying a coach who’s biggest feat was losing a Superbowl over 10yrs ago. And it took a Music City Miracle during the wild-card playoffs for him to make it there.

I was going to bring that up, but glad you did Da!

He should NOT command such a price tag, his resume says playoffs games and one SB apperance. Is that worth $7-8 MILL @ year? IMO………NO!

Why is Brian Bilik still NOT coaching? He sits in the NFL Network with Faulk, Warner, Sapp and yet does not coach? Why not look into him as Rams HC?

For what

it’s worth the phins fans at the Phinsider are thinking along the same lines as us. They are growing tired of Fisher and his premadonna ordeal. One guy says it’s going to be on prime time ESPN tonight just check the listings under The Indecision.

History to repeat itself?

Fisher going to take his talent to South Beach? Does he know that the guy who last did that will never win a championship in South Beach?

I say the Rams just hired somebode else.

He’s a good coach but he wants to be the highest paid? Get out of here.Maybe if he had some super bowl rings. or mayb he’s still bitter he lost to us in super bowl XXXIV and whats taking so long to decide? Almost a week to decide between two teams?

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